These are not sacraments to earn salvation, but privileges granted by grace. This is because we live in this flesh. You can read some of the experiences here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. I mean yeah, theres some truth to a lot of this. 25. 55. If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. That makes no sense. If you think that tithing 10% of your gross income is the minimum, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 6. There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. 2. Everyone has health issues. If youve been taught that robbing God (not giving 10% of gross income) is the special, one specific sin that will cause God to lift all protection of your life and allow satan FULL LIBERTY to destroy you. No, but I wanted to send the rest of my life with him. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. 7. What your pastor told you is extremely dangerous and silly. of Infighting, Anti-LGBTQ Church Network The problem is assuming intent instead of asking. God divorced Israel but Not judah..Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of WHAT?? Thank God for grace! What is the Southern Baptist Convention and what do Southern Baptists believe? 24 Blind guides! 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? God forgave me because Jesus Christ saved me. We wanted help and we wanted to know what the Bible said. And Pastor of Bible-Believing, Fundamental, Independent. I think its easy to look at the pastor as an authority figure, someone who holds some position above you, but most of them just want that connection with you, they care, they love you, they just want whats best for you. 11 The greatest among you must be a servant. Thousands of people, including myself, beg to differ. IFB church members know how to laugh and have fun. Its not an Old Testament Law vs New Testament issue. 5 Hypocrite! We forgive people, but only God can forgive sins. Why do people think that I dont have time to pray for loved ones simply because I have this site up? Come and join. I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. I dont believe my husband was the only one hurting the relationship. I wanted to marry my boyfriend, but I want to fix him first. Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up Same position regarding IFB belief 29. They have distinct responsibilities and operations. I dont agree with this because there is nothing wrong with going to college. Because of your traditions you have destroyed the authority of Gods word. I did read it but I still dont understand their beliefs on it.. Instead of reprimanding me why dont you pray for the lost? OMG = Oh My Goodness! The IFB ostracizes people when they leave. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. Growing up in a very conservative IFB church, I can personally attest to how accurate most of these were. Haha, thanks for the confirmation! I will say though having grown up in that environment, there was a HUGE sense of support from the congregation, I always knew that if I needed something, I had people surrounding me who would help. I do believe the requirements of a bishop and deacon is the husband of one wife.1 Timothy 3:2,12 we dont look down on divorced people. 52. If you laugh (snicker, sneer, roll your eyes, etc.) If that doesnt raise red flags for you I dont know what will. I agree some are or at least seem to be what most consider legalistic. I assure you that Im living exactly how God wants me to be living and Im doing it outside of the IFB (yes it can be done LOL). BUT, there is good news! A IFB member knocked on my door one Saturday and invited us to church. 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[13] Robertson had previously attracted media attention after he stated that gay people should be shot and New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern should "go home and get in the kitchen". God forgave my husband through Christ. [9][10] On the weekend of the third anniversary of the shooting, the New IFB held a "Make America Straight Again" conference at an Orlando-area New IFB church. Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. It didnt raise red flags for me. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. I only hope that you will see it before too long. They had made an idol out of church attendance. Praise the lord for forgiveness. We believe in the bodily resurrection of all men, the saved to eternal life, and the unsaved to judgment and everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46; John 5:28, 29, 11:25-26; Revelation 20:5-6, 12-13). Jesus forgave me and Im going to choose to forgive others regardless if they want it. I remember our pastor asking us if we could forgive each other, and praise the lord we forgave each other for the offenses committed against each other. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of If you believe that attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 36. All rights reserved. Abortion constitutes the unjustified, inexcusable taking of unborn human life. Despite having overcome drug addiction, trouble controlling my drinking, and a whole lot of other issues, my church never told me to leave, never told me to come back when I was better, never scolded me. If you think that the KJV is inspired, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 2. Theres a place to rebuke abusive religious practices. You better be right with God and have your name written in the lambs book of life. Southern Baptist Beliefs If you believe that the IFB isnt a denomination because they are Independent, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 37. If your church funnels in inner city kids via a bus ministry, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 24. If you refuse to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcoholic beverages, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 27. You might be an independent Fundamental Baptist if. The pastor pointed out (over the course of his long 2 hour sermon LOL) that a shepherd doesnt use a rod and staff to beat his sheep but to prod and guide them. I actually looked up the word just now (Random House Websters College Dictionary), and here are the definitions: 3.) THESE SERMON OUTLINES By Michael D. ONeal, Founder and Pastor Since 1986 Of. When you discover that female is indeed wearing the acceptable dress, skirt or koulotts youre so relieved to know that shes right with God ! 2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; You said we dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. Please get away from the IFB as far as you can, as fast as you can. Ive known many people whom God has reached using the IFB. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. 41. I had no idea that I, as an IFB, might be guilty of these things. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. your comments are offensive, you are narrow minded. But I did want to let you know that although some ifb churches may not be the best it doesnt make us a cult. Jack Hyles came to our church and you would have thought Jesus himself was preaching! Remember when Jesus rebuked the Pharisees? I believe the Bible, and if you do not believe the Bible and hate what the Bible teaches, it is because your opinion is more important to you, than what the Bible says, and if that be so, then there is really no reason for you to go to church in the first place. Pastor and his wife paid for reception, photographers, and and shower. We believe that the ecumenical movement is a demonic attempt to unite all Christian denominations around experience to the disregard of biblical doctrine. I already know where the IFB is coming from, I was indoctrinated in their dogma for 25 years. Even if you cant tithe now you can still serve in some way and later when you are able to improve your financial situation they will get your tithe. Whats wrong with a tract rack? 53. Illustration by Don Pfaffe appearing in the Central Conservative Baptist Quarterly You obviously didnt read the entire list see number 47. We told to get married. My pastor and his wife sent evil. I wanted to go to church but was not able to. Please dont mistake this for a lack of respect or an attempt to minimize the seriousness of the abuse that happens among the Independent Fundamental Bapitsts. Such as??? G.F.F. That apparently is what Christ would do. JUDAH. They are already spelled out in the Bible. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. Pastors daughter did my hair and cleaned my dress with baby wipes. Its method of operation is subversive. Ive addressed the scriptures about tithing in my article and explain it using proper exegesis and hermeneutics. 9 Their worship of me is pointless, because their teachings are rules made by humans.. Womens should not wear pants This is not the case at my congregation. The Lord's Supper, or Communion, commemorates Christ's broken body and shed blood giving each believer an opportunity for self-examination and rededication. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the If you should cut your vacation short you should never miss church this has happened only once in my life when I went I was on my senior class trip. People can ask for clarification if they want. Every child of God has equal access to their Heavenly Father. Baptists are traditionally strong believers in Biblical authority. 36. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 3 And why worry about a speck in your friends eye when you have a log in your own? But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. Smoking in itself is not sin but I do agree that smoking can cause teeth decay, lung cancer, breast cancer, etc. If you believe that perfection is something to strive for and/or attain this side of heaven,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. God knows the names of his children and for anyone to accuse another of security in Christ is hypocrisy. Would you go back and pet a dog after it bit you? Is that what the great commission tells us to do: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and send lost loved ones to an IFB church so that they might be saved (DHV Don Holt Version). Sermon Outlines The Bible-Believing Fundamentalist You should do something else with the time God has aloud you.Nonsense is not what people need to hear. I hope whatever poor experience you had hasnt taken you away from the faith. Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. What if it had been biting you for 5, 10, 15, or (in my case) 25 years and you managed to finally escape would you go back or send a love one to pet it? I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. I prefer Kjv! 23. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse then yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 17. Should I choose not to forgive after Christ has already died for him? Some of these are humorous and right on the money. However, some (I agree Ogrodnik) are unfair and judgmental. Ask questions if you need to and Ill be happy to explain more. Hypocrites! We should teach our children of who Jesus is and how we should live a holy or Christian life. Take a look here: https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament. Just please be sure that your judging is fair. We teach that baptism is necessary for salvation as I get this quote from the King James Version from John 3:5; Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. People need Jesuswhats the big deal? [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. Well Pastor Wilkerson is no longer here, and welllll.as far as Im concerned will never be the same. I, too, would never go back to many of the churches that I have been to, but if you search, you will find one that will cause you to grow in your faith and knowledge, and to change and to believe what God has said. 20. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.. 5. 30. Me preferring the Kjv bible and believing its the inspired word of God is not incorrect. We ARE the church my friend! Yes, I have countless emails and comments from people who were ready to give up on their faith until they read this site and realized that the IFB was in error not them. 39. Very few men are qualified to be pastors using your interpretation of scripture. Cleveland Baptist Church - Cleveland, OH - Pastor Kevin Folger ; Community Baptist I remember a particular lesson in church about the rod and staff. Independent Fundamental Baptist They act like childern, but my church loves them because Jesus loves them. If you refuse to use any other Bible version than the KJV because you think its either too worldly, sinful or less accurate,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 4. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. Every person is individually responsible to God and will be judged according to the beliefs and practices he or she freely chooses. Years ago, I heard a very funny but truthful skit on what was or wasnt OK. Each verse ended with, Its OK, because Independent Fundamental Baptist Preachers do it.. Reading any other version outside of the King James Version is sin same concern as I mentioned topic 1 My mother doesnt wear fancy earrings. This is simply an attempt to bring some humor to the blog for the readers enjoyment. Are these points form the KJV Bible or is it carved from the principles from scriptures. If you believe that the wine referred to in the Bible is nothing more than fruit of the vine (AKA grape juice), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 26. WebGetting to it. I forgave through the example of Jesus. Which is more importantthe gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? No, Baptist churches are not sinless because they are filled with forgiven sinners. No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us lm 8:4-9; Colossians 3:9-11). And I know you included that on your list, but there is a difference between joking and bitterness and I can see it in the comments as well as the post. He granted his permission to work in the Infant Ministry and Toddler, and 3-4 year old Ministry. If you (like Jason) come to this site to criticize sarcasm by hypocritically using sarcasm, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Can God heal if it be his will yes he can. The last pastor I had, at Mountain, would yell sometimes on his sermons to make sense of humor since most of his sermons were pretty funny but never pounded the pulpit. No one knew about the marriage except us. Plus they pray to the saints. Here are my concerns about the beliefs since I am not Independent Baptist, Southern Baptist, or part of any Baptist affiliation: What Jesus did on the cross is for our salvation. First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friends eye. We believe that Satan is a created angelic being who rebelled and who tempted man to join him in rebellion against God (Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19; Genesis 3:1-5). We believe in verbal, plenary inspiration in the original writings, and God's preservation of His pure words to every generation (II Timothy 3:16, Psalms 12:6-8). No member shall Luke 8:17, Daniel 2:22, Luke 12:2. Baptist If you see buses full of kids of all ethnicities and backgrounds coming to worship together, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ was raised bodily and that He ascended to Heaven and is now exalted at the right hand of God, where, as our High Priest, He fulfills the ministry of Representative, Intercessor, and Advocate (Acts 1:9-10; Hebrews 9:24, 7:25; Romans 8:34; I John 2:1-2). Baptism of believers by immersion in water symbolizes sincere faith in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection with the desire to walk in newness of life. Hypocrites! WebIndependent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. 51. I believe tithing is good and God blesses those who tithe. Please read the rest of the website and my story rather than just judge me. is Looking to God for missionaries to help expand the vision and ministries of G.F.F. 48. 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. This is an assumption.. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin. Read Matthew 23 for more information. Fellowship, guidance, and encouragement of the local church family are essential for believers to maintain an unwavering testimony and a meaningful life of service. Lots of people at the church stoped what they were doing to attend. WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. Believe it or not I can find time to pray while at the same time not sending my loved ones to an abusive church. If you think anything what the churches teach about salvation is easy believing this is not true in our congregation. If your church sings Just As I Am at the end of every service We sing that song once in a while since its a good invitational song. If that is the case, you might as well go out and live like hell, because you are not interested in what God says anyway. That may mean dressing appropriately and not dis honoring your body because its a holy temple. I dont believe some of the Catholic doctrine is true, but all have belief in things they believe and unbelief in things they dont believe. 33 Snakes! We went to th IFB church that next day to say we went to get them off our back. Pastor and his wife did pay for the reception, photography, and shower. WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical Duh Get your mind out of the gutter. 43. God Bless. Marriage for two people that want to make a life together is biblical. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 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We believe that salvation is by grace plus nothing minus nothing. 35. Point is that we are to edify with love and meekness all brothers and sisters in Christ, not criticize in front of a lost world. Hey there. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. Or preferring the KJV? They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you. Suits and ties are generally not required today for men , except for ministers, though some churches do require suits and ties and I dont know any that I do of. The Bible talks about a CHEERFUL GIVER. If a person gets right with God, then they will usually give, not because they have to, rather because they want to give. 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? I understand others dont like hearing God gave inspiration to the Kjv, but its true. Pastor Wilkerson was the one and ONLY pastor who allowed me to work passionately in what ever church ministry I chosen. . They all work together. And, aside from the ones you mentioned that are truly sinful (i.e, #17, #53), and the ones that are just inaccurate (i.e, #13, #16, #35), some of these are interesting picks to end up on the list.