SHAME ON THEM. That is not just a circumstantial case, that is both circumstantial and forensic, and it is pretty air tight. Both wanted to be doctors. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory.. I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours The fact that there was a broken fingernail with skin attached to it found on her clothingand wasnt Patricias. A Florida mother, who allegedly lied to police that her son with autism was abducted by two black men, was charged with the child's murder, police said. It's been a long three years for them.". They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. 'He's going to be in a better place': Florida mom charged with the I noticed quite a few errors myself. There is pendency of DNA investigation for Routier. That's counting the nine bullets you put in Sarah. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led Emailus. By clicking Sign Up, I confirmthat I have read and agreeto the Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. "I couldn't believe it," Blasczyk said of the crime. Todays arrest of their father, Yaser Said brings us closer to ensuring justice is served on their behalf.. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. Yaser had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014, according to CBS. WebIn burst a group of men and women with their guns drawn. The Free Patricia Rorrer page points to a sliver of a fingernail found at the murder site that didnt come from either Patricia or Joann. If Patricia had injuries it wouldve only been to her hands and she wasnt questioned right away which is also the reason she took Joanne elsewhere to kill her so her body wouldnt be found for a while and she would have time to return home. At the time of the killings, police said that there had been domestic problems in the family and that they were exploring all possible motives for the slayings. What a lame article. Perhaps she used more than one gun using another/others for the target shooting than the one she killed with (and others shot with her?) Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? Shock, Gloria Smith, the sister of the lost-and-found woman, said at the press conference. Marissa Suarez, in the matching brown hat and scarf, and Patricia Todisco, in the darker hat, are seen inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 (images via FBI court filing). Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. 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I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. This story has been shared 114,982 times. The Prues were accused of luring Jenkins, a single mother, from her rural home and then strangling and beating her to death. PS Speculative lies is meaningless. Stop trying to prove that everyone who is prosecuted is rightfully prosecuted. Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. At the states request, the instructor wore a wire during a phone conversation with Patricia. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. Required fields are marked *. Looking at the pictures of the scene, after 4 months of the bodies being there allegedly, they were untouched? None. His hair (back in 94-95) was dirty blonde and roughly 8 inches long. He says he "feared for his life" and left the girls in the cab alive as he ran away. And the obvious answer is Ill tell you why (which really is common knowledge). Yeah, no. I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. Which explains why she made Joann kill the baby, or suffer from the environmental elements. I come home one night, and shes just gone, and nobody knows where shes at, Bob Kopta, husband of Patricia Kopta, said at a press conference reported by Pittsburgh Shes just extremely happy with Andy, her brother, Michael OConnor, told the media. While Patricia does not qualify for medical parole, she can still file for executive clemency or compassionate release, which she has already done and which was met with more resistance from Gov. His father confirmed his alibi that they were doing construction work together, putting an addition on the house of friends Tom and Kathy Holschwander, at the time of Joanns disappearance. Or to keep it anonymous, click here. "You knew how the Some lawyers call microscopic hair analysis junk science that today wouldnt qualify as evidence in a trial like Rorrers. But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial issues and that Jerome was dying of liver cancer and only had 60 days to live. (even though hes married and has a baby) Who does that?!! First it was winter, cold temperatures preserve bodies for significantly longer periods. Said I have never seen anything this egregious in all my years.. How so? This woman was not innocent, but she is very good at manipulating people into feeling sorry for her. Yaser Said is accused of killing his two teenage daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. Its nine minutes into the video. And I hope I can get down to see her., Were very thankful to know that Patty is alive and well, Smith added. She made an effort to look perfectly groomed even when she took out the trash, according to her mother, who appeared on Forensic Files. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. Check out ALL the facts if you feel the need to comment. But otherwise, extremely similar, a single bullet fired into the head, the woman later beaten to make sure she died, the hair, which had remained in the bracelet of our victim in this case, the way it was executed outside the house in a wooded area, at the command of the gentleman who did not want to soil his house, and the child who in our case was abandoned in the car. Theres something very important to this case that needs to be mentioned more than anything else THE GUN. Liesbeth Powers/The She had a suitcase packed, Devine said. Police were led to the Prues by a business card found in Jenkins' home for Allen Prue's snow-plow business and a report that the Prues had called Jenkins about trouble with their vehicle. And last but not least, the fact that Michael McIntyre comes across as mentally unstable. If you can tear yourself away from your obsessive mentality, you can see what virtually amounts to the tampering to which I referred. There are a number of issues in the case, Kelley said in a letter to his associate, Christopher Darden, including the competency of counsel, prosecutorial misconduct and, of course, compelling legal error by the court.. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. I attack only those whove considered themselves not only judges on this case, but go on to vent their spleen aimed at a person who in my opinion is innocent of this crime, based on all Ive read and watched without fear of retaliation If they so freely attack someone in the most vicious way, why should they be off limits? The hair evidence is not compelling because theres a very good possibility that the evidence was compromised. Those bodies would have been manipulated by something around there. Traupman died in 2016. Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. 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Agree with all you say but theres so much more involving incompetence, corruption, evidence tampering and then witnesses, in Rorrers favour, who were not disclosed to her defence her trial (something they were legally obliged to do). Sorry ladiesher hair was in the car and at the scene.she murdered them. The person who killed Joann is currently serving a life sentence because 10 months after Joann and Alex died, he killed another woman (who bore a striking resemblance to Joann) and her baby. Patricias professional life included short-lived gigs as a Century 21 real estate agent and an Oldsmobile salesperson. Cold case: Rape kits from two women lead to arrest in 1979 South For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. This witness was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Some people are just monsters. Sorry not sorry. Weak wages. Browns downtown Los Angeles office demanding that he grant Patricia Wright clemency. They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. I deduced my opinion to be fact because of what Ive read and seen and is supported by evidence which was never disclosed at her trial. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. Patricias phone bill showed no record of a call to Catasauqua that day, but police noticed she didnt make any calls at all from her house in North Carolina that day either suggesting she could have been out of state and used a pay phone to dial up the Katrinaks. Patricia Anyone who thinks this psycho isnt guilty needs to take off their tin hat. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. Your email address will not be published. I hope she rots in hell. Senate Bill 1399, the compassionate release bill signed into law a year ago, allows prisoners who are permanently and medically incapacitated to be released from prison and into the care of family and caretakers. Lawyers pleaded their cases in closing arguments to 12 jurors and three alternates for nearly two hours Tuesday morning. Mal told Keith Morrison that Patricias dance teacher originally confirmed her alibi that she was in class on the day of the murder, then changed his mind. The defense argued that the 911 call is not clear and that Said was targeted by investigators because he is a Muslim. Conflicting versions. Patricia According to the Division of the Adult Institutions and Gov. Patricia Why wouldnt they let any of her witnesses testify? DALLAS, Texas - A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. !) and detractors (This is another bs attempt to free a psycho). Wright desires to live her last days with her five children and six grandchildren, was in the statement as well. Mr Steve J However, my curiosity is piqued as to why Andrews mother didnt report the missing daughter in law, Joanne and her own grandson Alex! And she will have to answer eventually. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. I mean the husband did do some shady things maybe he was involved? Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. One on one? Im dying. Said And why would the judge not let the information about Jerome being a homosexual be known to the jury.. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. Claps! Patrica Owens, Yaser Said's ex-wife, testified before the jury Thursday morning and said why she fled her home with her daughters only to return days before they were Former Most-Wanted Fugitive Accused in 2008 Honor Killings of Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? "I suggest that it stands for a moment in time where people actually take a moment to take a serious look at how we allocate our resources to social services. What they reported to us is that she came into their care in 1999 where she was found in need, in the streets in Puerto Rico, where she had been wandering around. Lieutenant Christopher Coble and Sergeant Suzanne Pearson would later testify that Patricia cried and apologized to 18-month-old Nicole, telling the baby, Im sorry for doing this to you and lamenting to the officers that she would never see little Nicole again. And its been bad. This woman was motivated by an obsession with a man who no longer wanted her. neither her nor there couldnt be linked to her. For goodness sake, it was never proved at her trial she used the gun the police so steadfastly offered as evidence or for that matter, ANY OTHER GUN. Or did they? It is not necessary to the case against her that she owned the killing gun (and it would be foolish to have used it). Another glaring omission is Early in the investigation, the police in their zeal to add some substance to their fanciful theory about the gun used in the crime, did a thorough search of Rorrers back yard/garden (where they did target practice) looking for spent shells and bullets, in order to do a forensic comparison with the bullet recovered from the victim. The fact that Jerome was gay was left out of the trial altogether. Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. A knife and the clothing worn by the victim potentially had all of the answers that would have led to the real murderer, but that evidence was destroyed by the LAPD. After researching this case more thoroughly, I stand corrected about the time it took the jury to return a verdict. Were suppose to ignore the actual forensic evidence and forensic opinions because we were told that a cop overheard her claiming she confessed? I thought the justice system in my state and the people were narrow-minded and corrupt. Or the ME and the entomologist that explained how impossible it would be for that baby and mother to be out there for four months, deceased at that, and still be as intact as they were, and the fact that the baby was double the size of a three month old child. Gail Gattrell, the sisters great-aunt, described the deaths as an honor killing which are often carried about by a relative who believes a woman went against conservative Islamic values on love or marriage. Kidnapped and killed? Blasczyk said she escaped from East Germany as a teenager when the country was under Communist leadership. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. Patricia And Mark McCloskey Who Waved Guns At BLM Protesters Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. You are correct the bodies were not there all that time, and it seems odd that they baby taken at 3 month, but when found he was 6 months according to Wrong Man. If you have ever met or been in a relationship with a narcissist, the former partner being with a more young and attractive-looking person would make them go off. Said tried to blame the FBI for not searching for an unknown person, he said, was the real killer. Prosecutors say a 911 call from the night of the murders proves that Said is guilty. Are you even aware there are judges, eminent writers, lawyers and TV personalities and countless other ordinary people all of whom steadfastly support her as being innocent and wrongly convicted. When police traveled to North Carolina to interview Patricia about the murders of Joann and Alex, she said that on the day of the homicides, she had visited a feed store, a tanning salon, and a country music club. If Patricia drove it back from the murder scene after she shot Joann and then beat her to death, luminal would have lit up the interior. She is right where she belongs for now until she meets satan in the fury of hell. Its barely visible in the picture. Nobody said bodies were intact. And Patricia wasnt all edges. If you look at the crime scene picture, only parts of the mother seem preserved. Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. Further, an early FBI report said the hairs found in the car had no roots which contain the DNA suggesting an evidence switcheroo. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. Patricia complied fully with the original investigation of the crime and wasnt a suspect because none of the blood or fingerprints found at the crime scene matched hers. Are you even aware theres a strong suspicion that evidence of the hair, which was DNA matched to her, was tampered with? Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? But none of those charges ever stuck. If you want to help her tell her to ask God for forgiveness. I believe in Patricias innocence and she deserves to be freed, at last! They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. The Charley Project offers details of the womans life before she went missing: She walked throughout the city, approaching strangers and telling them shed had a vision of the Virgin Mary and the world was about to end. Curiously after this latest test, the 39 hairs removed only 34 were accounted for what became of the absent 4 hairs? The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. Under supervision of a doctor, 39 hair specimens were removed, recorded and logged. But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page. Disagree with All my comments have been vetted and approved by this sites organisers so how do you see yourself as the judge of whats acceptable or not? Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. She was always looking for a fight, Gary Gabard told the Morning Call, which noted that he was a head shorter than Patricia. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Joann would have fought for her life the person that did this would have had marks on them from a fight! The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. So much of it, it would take all day to elaborate here. Through that testing, the elderly patient was confirmed to be the same woman locally known in Pittsburgh as a street preacher called The Sparrow who vanished and left her family flummoxed. New state, new man. "I'm not sorry we were caught. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. This woman was obsessed and jealous. Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? Until next time, cheers. The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. Ls HUe7C22R>_%m~e5?h If you want to help her let her find peace by admitting her wrong and asking God for forgiveness. The Irish-Italian girl had full, fluffy dark hair, olive skin, and a pretty face. Lawrence Slaughter is currently serving a life sentence in Calipatria State Prison for the murder of Jerome Scott as well. At that time he was living in Connecticut. Joanne didnt go missing until December 15, an entire week and a day later. In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. Patricia Kopta left behind a husband and siblings and meandered through northern Puerto Rico for a while before she was taken as a person in need to the adult I dont think so. Animals would have for sure. And I have absolutely no sympathy. We can help by getting the word out, by bringing a lot more support to a case that is so insanely bizarre, said Geri Silva. OK my GUESS is Patricia did do it! And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. So the issue that he was picking up men in downtown Los Angeles was irrelevant to the case although that couldve been a lead to the killer. Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. Alex Murdaugh found guilty of killing wife, son In 1995, Larry Wright was facing a 10-year sentence for two felonies, risk of an injury to a minor and violating a restraining order, and a misdemeanor for threatening by saying, Im going to kill you, to his wife after he caught her cheating. I was like OK, maybe she was tired, you know with a new baby. She should have received the death penalty imo. Help, the younger sister could be heard crying on a 911 recording. Her sister stated shed had a religious obsession since she was a child. Very similar. My husband passed away of a broken heart, Sarah OConnor said on the Montel Williams Show in 2001. In pleading guilty, Islam Said admitted that evidence proved he committed the crimes charged in the superseding indictment filed in November 2020.